The purpose with this blog is to expose the claim of modern Islamic apologists that the Qur'an is miracolous in its prediction of what they claim resembles modern science.

Monday, 23 August 2010

Does the Sun orbit the Earth According to the Qur'an?

was hoping some Muslims could educate us about these passages.

“(God is) the one Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion” (Sura 21: 33).

I find it rather obvious from what this passage depicts that the day and night depends upon the orbit of the sun and moon. In other words, contrary to what Muslim apologists exclaim about the sun's galactic orbit, the passage appears rather to describe the sun and the moon in parallel orbits.

It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law)(Sura 36: 40).

That the Qur'an refers to parallel orbits is further clarified in this passage, which states that the sun and the moon do not catch up each other.

Think of it: what sense does this make if the Qur'an described a galatic orbit since the moon is already attached to such an orbit, and since the orbit relates not to the galaxy but the day and night? Furthermore, notice that this passage states the impossible task of the sun to catch up the moon.

Why can't the sun catch up the moon, is due to its inability to do so? No really! The passage makes it clearly that the sun is not permitted to do so. In other words, the sun has the ability to catch the moon, hence the switch from day to night, since both travel in parallel orbits; yet their abilities to catch up is simply not permitted.

I might here agree with some that the passages are metaphorical, much like Sura 91: 1-2:

By the Sun and his (glorious) splendour; By the Moon as she follows him…(Sura 91: 1-2)

I must say I have no real problem with the metaphorical language of this passage, and I am inclined to believe that this simply describes what is observable from the earth.

Yet there are two further problems here:

The first, which I will refrain from looking at at this point, is the very language utilized by the Qur'an in describing the orbits, which appear to be in a close similtude with the pre-Islamic thinkers.

The second problem derives from the interpretation of Muhammad himself:

Sahih Al-Bukbari clearly confirms some of these as scientific facts (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421: Narrated Abu Dharr):

The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west.
And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: ‘And the sun Runs its fixed course for a term (decreed). That is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing.’"
(36.38)

10 comments:

  1. i believe there is no doubt about whether the sun orbits the earth or not. this makes it all clear.
    jazakallah :)

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  2. Nothing to refute here. The verses speak for themselves. The sun and moon travel i ntheir own orbits, you don't see them crossing each other. The sun travels over 300km/hour to its term appointed and so does the moon.

    Fail at debunking much? How much did they pay you for this one? 20K?

    The sun setting beneath the Throne of Allah but a time will come when it will rise from the West. This is due to the change in the rotation of the Earth. You look at the sky, the Sun will be rising from the West as Allah won't grant it permission to rise in the East. Meaning the Earth will change it's rotation. We don't need a genius for this one. Perhaps it is hard for a closed-minded missionary to understand the idea.

    Lmao...

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  3. Agree you have nothing to refute here. The passage reveals that the Qur'an is in error. I am glad you agree. The Qur'an is packed with errors.

    I agree the verses do speak for themselves:

    It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law)(Sura 36: 40).

    To answer your attempt to wrongly interpret the passage. It is not that the sun and moon do not cross due to complete separate orbits. They are simply not permitted to catch up. This very sentence states that they are travelling in parallel lines. Notice furthermore, that their orbits are related to the day and night.

    So, yeah, the passage speaks for itself, unfortunately for you.

    As to the Hadith, it does clearly refer to the sun's orbit around the earth. But where does the passage refer to rotation of the earth? Could you elaborate upon that and prove your interpretation without eisegesis.

    So far you have refuted nothing. If you think mocking supports your case, I can tell, you are merely loosing respect. But I guess that means nothing to you.

    But I had the feeling that you do not believe the Qur'an, and why bother if you are not a Muslim anyway. I mean you are one of those Allah rejects according to the Qur'an.

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  4. "The Qur'an is packed with errors." The Quran does not give errors for what it contains within is absolute truth, the truth that is beyond human's capability of thinking unless he gave a thorough thinking about it, which in the end, Allah said "These are the signs to those who thinks."

    First of all, you said that "travel in parallel orbits". This is the first concept of understanding that you are wrong. The moon and the Sun does not orbit on parallel paths. In fact, they orbit almost similar to the Geocentric Model proposed by Ptolemy which is the Ptolemaic System. In other researches, it is believed that the Earth is the center of our solar system which makes it at its own position or simple, at its 'rest point' based on the Geocentric Model. To further understand this, you have to actually read and understand fully what the Quran describes.

    The interpretation of Muhammad(pbuh) is telling that the sun is currently(now)is orbiting from East to the West. Until one day, the Sun asked for permission to orbit at the opposite route which is from the West to the East which is contradicting with the laws of physics but if you compare it with Allah's Almighty powers, it is possible to happen if He permits it. The Sun asks permission to the opposite way of orbiting but Allah denies the Sun's permission until one day when The Sun asks for the same permission, Allah permits it, which indicates that the End of The World or simply, The Judgement Day. That is what the interpretation of Muhammad(pbuh) meant.

    The orbiting of the moon and the sun is not parallel for in the verse, "It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law)" (Sura 36: 40). This verse is scientifically meant that the Moon and the Sun 'swims' on its own orbit according to Allah's law. "It is not permitted for the Sun to catch up the moon". This line obviously showing that the orbiting of the sun and the moon IS NOT IN PARALLEL LINE. If you are saying that these two celestial bodies orbits in a parallel lines, that you might now itself witness day and night, thus showing the shape of the moon right now! This proves that the orbiting of the Sun and the Moon is not on parallel lines. The word 'catch up' obviously indicate that the moon and the sun is mostly orbiting in a circular shape like what heliocentric and geocentric models have proposed but the difference between them is the position of the sun and the earth which now has been scientifically proved that our solar system moves in a circular motion.

    This shows that your assumption about a parallel orbiting is just showing contradicting on what modern scientific research have proved. If you again accept the fact that the sun and the moon is orbiting on parallel lines, you just made an indication that everything can be seen right at this moment, meaning that you can witness day and night at the same time, including stars and other celestial bodies that the universe is storing. The Quran have shown, described and proved at an intense specific which basically have been scientifically proved by neither physics and also the astronomical laws.

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  5. This blog is pathetic, but then so are you mr. christian missionary!

    Ps: I fully agree with "Xeno Genesis"

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  6. So beating one of your wives of that one slave wife you have kicking around is fine then? Quran God isn't a nice guy is he.

    Every holly book has alot bullshit, noah put every animal in an ark what??

    Buddhists are cool and completely happy and peaceful, except for the singing, never been into group singing.

    I don't worship assholes.

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  7. The koran a perfect book of truth and science?
    Sure. And we all know science has proved meteors are an anti-Genie Missile Defence System,
    the sun sets in a muddy pond and
    mountains are anti-quake installations.
    Grow up you embarrassing caveboys.

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  8. The Sun (of surface temperature of 5778 K) and the Moon (of orbital period of 27 days) are never going to join with each other because the Sun and Moon have already joined 355 years ago in India!
    According to Prophet Muhammad, Isa Ruh Allah was supposed to wear two garments. Therefore, the first garment of Isa Ruh Allah was the physical body of Devchandra Mehta himself. However, upon leaving his first garment, Isa Ruh Allah had to wear his second and final garment by entering into the physical body of Meher Raj Thakur! And this is how the Sun (Mahdi) and the Moon (Isa) would join together!
    http://sanandhonline.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-sun-and-moon-are-joined.html

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  9. "... Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion", This to me suggest that they are traveling in different orbits, and as current science says the Sun goes around the center of the milky way galaxy and moon around earth.

    I am a muslim, when I was a child they were teaching us that the earth goes around the sun, which is an old interpretation based on old science and to me doesn't even go with the words of quran, but the Molvi got upset with my questioning so i just said w.e. But alot of time it is just traditional interpretations based on old science, and then ignorant scholars make the religion look bad by being stubborn and hindering progress.

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