was hoping some Muslims could educate us about these passages.
“(God is) the one Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion” (Sura 21: 33).
I find it rather obvious from what this passage depicts that the day and night depends upon the orbit of the sun and moon. In other words, contrary to what Muslim apologists exclaim about the sun's galactic orbit, the passage appears rather to describe the sun and the moon in parallel orbits.
It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law)(Sura 36: 40).
That the Qur'an refers to parallel orbits is further clarified in this passage, which states that the sun and the moon do not catch up each other.
Think of it: what sense does this make if the Qur'an described a galatic orbit since the moon is already attached to such an orbit, and since the orbit relates not to the galaxy but the day and night? Furthermore, notice that this passage states the impossible task of the sun to catch up the moon.
Why can't the sun catch up the moon, is due to its inability to do so? No really! The passage makes it clearly that the sun is not permitted to do so. In other words, the sun has the ability to catch the moon, hence the switch from day to night, since both travel in parallel orbits; yet their abilities to catch up is simply not permitted.
I might here agree with some that the passages are metaphorical, much like Sura 91: 1-2:
By the Sun and his (glorious) splendour; By the Moon as she follows him…(Sura 91: 1-2)
I must say I have no real problem with the metaphorical language of this passage, and I am inclined to believe that this simply describes what is observable from the earth.
Yet there are two further problems here:
The first, which I will refrain from looking at at this point, is the very language utilized by the Qur'an in describing the orbits, which appear to be in a close similtude with the pre-Islamic thinkers.
The second problem derives from the interpretation of Muhammad himself:
Sahih Al-Bukbari clearly confirms some of these as scientific facts (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421: Narrated Abu Dharr):
The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west.
And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: ‘And the sun Runs its fixed course for a term (decreed). That is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing.’" (36.38)
i believe there is no doubt about whether the sun orbits the earth or not. this makes it all clear.
ReplyDeletejazakallah :)
Nothing to refute here. The verses speak for themselves. The sun and moon travel i ntheir own orbits, you don't see them crossing each other. The sun travels over 300km/hour to its term appointed and so does the moon.
ReplyDeleteFail at debunking much? How much did they pay you for this one? 20K?
The sun setting beneath the Throne of Allah but a time will come when it will rise from the West. This is due to the change in the rotation of the Earth. You look at the sky, the Sun will be rising from the West as Allah won't grant it permission to rise in the East. Meaning the Earth will change it's rotation. We don't need a genius for this one. Perhaps it is hard for a closed-minded missionary to understand the idea.
Lmao...
If the earth changed its rotation direction literally every person on the planet would be crushed into the nearest wall at over 1000 miles per hour.
DeleteActually, I just saw a video of Neil Degrass Tyson, where he was asked what would happen if earth stopped rotating. He did say that if the stop is sudden, then there will be disaster, as you mentioned. But he said, if there is a slow down, then a stop, there wont be any affect other than very long days and very long nights. So if the earth does come to a stop, it wont be disastrous so long as it slows down first.
DeleteIf the earth changes its rotation, then no man and no Quran can exist to see the sun will rise from the West!
DeleteIm not gonna say much. The Al Quran also mention that the earth is stationary and the other verses said that the sun and moon coursing/swimming around. As a muslim, what are you going to believe? The proof of the Quran or the western's astronomers? Just read up little more my fellow muslims. There is no metaphorical word in the verse (the earth is stationary). As a reminder, if you want to easier process about the verses. Just think that earth is flat. Allah knows best.
DeleteNot true. If you are a Muslim, your are trying to confirm the Quran with science, instead ofnthe other way around. Either the Quran is correct or pseudo science is. You choose.
DeleteThe earth is flat anyway ......Mo failed to notice that.......
DeleteHow do you think the earth will stop rotating in one direction the start again in the other:
DeleteThis is impossible
Besides that . . Let's say if that does happen using the natural law. The earth will have to first slow down . If it gets slower the magnetic poles will first collapse and the sun's radiation will strip the earth of all it's surface hydrogen . By the time the earth starts spinning in the opposite direction all life would have been erased of it . Now as for the sun setting near a throne , that is bull kak. We know the sun does not set or rise . It stays in the center of the solar system . It Noether prostrates itself nor does it ask anyone's permission to do anything . The natural law is what the sun follows just like the billions of billions of starts that have existed. Just like the stars that exploded billions of years ago forming the he y elements that eventually Landed on earth and formed molecules that you are made off. . .
DeleteThe statements are true."The sun will rise from West" is all about future before the mass devastation
DeleteSo what about Total Eclipse of the Sun when they come inline with each other. Quran says they wont catch up
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In Mohammed’s time it was the sun and the moon orbiting the earth. Mohammed included that fact in the Quran. It is not Mohammed’s fault that later on it was discovered that earth orbits around the sun and moon around the earth. And of course, when you look at the sun and moon from earth, they will appear to be floating (not fixed) even to a total idiot.
Agree you have nothing to refute here. The passage reveals that the Qur'an is in error. I am glad you agree. The Qur'an is packed with errors.
ReplyDeleteI agree the verses do speak for themselves:
It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law)(Sura 36: 40).
To answer your attempt to wrongly interpret the passage. It is not that the sun and moon do not cross due to complete separate orbits. They are simply not permitted to catch up. This very sentence states that they are travelling in parallel lines. Notice furthermore, that their orbits are related to the day and night.
So, yeah, the passage speaks for itself, unfortunately for you.
As to the Hadith, it does clearly refer to the sun's orbit around the earth. But where does the passage refer to rotation of the earth? Could you elaborate upon that and prove your interpretation without eisegesis.
So far you have refuted nothing. If you think mocking supports your case, I can tell, you are merely loosing respect. But I guess that means nothing to you.
But I had the feeling that you do not believe the Qur'an, and why bother if you are not a Muslim anyway. I mean you are one of those Allah rejects according to the Qur'an.
Its all about making absolute point. If you make absolute point to sun you will see rotating earth but if make absolute point to earth you will find rotating sun.. science say motion is always relative not absolute..
DeleteYou see whenver koran writers tried to write their own views on any topic independantly always the cmade etrors and when they copied from established scriptures of vsrious relegions they were correct.
Delete@Hogan to your question, "Hadith, it does clearly refer to the sun's orbit around the earth. But where does the passage refer to rotation of the earth? Could you elaborate upon that and prove your interpretation without eisegesis."
DeleteYou see, in our everyday life, we do not say "The earth rotates to East to Sun" we say "The Sun rises"
Prophet Sm: was stating those things to normal people, not astronauts..So definitely he will talk in normal way and simply so people understands it.
To answer your question to-
"It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law)(Sura 36: 40)."
You have to understand what the "Permission of God" means. God is not you class teacher that he will permit you and you enter the class or he doesn't permit you and you still enter the class ignoring his permission. For God, His permission means His order..and His order means exactly as He says. The verse says "It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon" why would it mean Sun and moon are on same orbit? While the moon appears forever in the day, when eclipse happen in every era..
It indicates that God ordered the position of the Sun and the position of the Moon in such way, it'll never be possible for them to reach one another, "catch up" or clash with one another.
Btw, take scholars' help to understand Quran. It is forbidden for non-muslim analyse Quran by themselves for they may accidentally or intentionally misinterpret and spread that among others.
No need to bring any conspiracy theory here
"The Qur'an is packed with errors." The Quran does not give errors for what it contains within is absolute truth, the truth that is beyond human's capability of thinking unless he gave a thorough thinking about it, which in the end, Allah said "These are the signs to those who thinks."
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, you said that "travel in parallel orbits". This is the first concept of understanding that you are wrong. The moon and the Sun does not orbit on parallel paths. In fact, they orbit almost similar to the Geocentric Model proposed by Ptolemy which is the Ptolemaic System. In other researches, it is believed that the Earth is the center of our solar system which makes it at its own position or simple, at its 'rest point' based on the Geocentric Model. To further understand this, you have to actually read and understand fully what the Quran describes.
The interpretation of Muhammad(pbuh) is telling that the sun is currently(now)is orbiting from East to the West. Until one day, the Sun asked for permission to orbit at the opposite route which is from the West to the East which is contradicting with the laws of physics but if you compare it with Allah's Almighty powers, it is possible to happen if He permits it. The Sun asks permission to the opposite way of orbiting but Allah denies the Sun's permission until one day when The Sun asks for the same permission, Allah permits it, which indicates that the End of The World or simply, The Judgement Day. That is what the interpretation of Muhammad(pbuh) meant.
The orbiting of the moon and the sun is not parallel for in the verse, "It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law)" (Sura 36: 40). This verse is scientifically meant that the Moon and the Sun 'swims' on its own orbit according to Allah's law. "It is not permitted for the Sun to catch up the moon". This line obviously showing that the orbiting of the sun and the moon IS NOT IN PARALLEL LINE. If you are saying that these two celestial bodies orbits in a parallel lines, that you might now itself witness day and night, thus showing the shape of the moon right now! This proves that the orbiting of the Sun and the Moon is not on parallel lines. The word 'catch up' obviously indicate that the moon and the sun is mostly orbiting in a circular shape like what heliocentric and geocentric models have proposed but the difference between them is the position of the sun and the earth which now has been scientifically proved that our solar system moves in a circular motion.
This shows that your assumption about a parallel orbiting is just showing contradicting on what modern scientific research have proved. If you again accept the fact that the sun and the moon is orbiting on parallel lines, you just made an indication that everything can be seen right at this moment, meaning that you can witness day and night at the same time, including stars and other celestial bodies that the universe is storing. The Quran have shown, described and proved at an intense specific which basically have been scientifically proved by neither physics and also the astronomical laws.
Its all about making absolute point. If you make absolute point to sun you will see rotating earth but if make absolute point to earth you will find rotating sun.. science say motion is always relative not absolute..
Deletewow man...May Allah bless you with more knowledge .
DeleteThis blog is pathetic, but then so are you mr. christian missionary!
ReplyDeletePs: I fully agree with "Xeno Genesis"
So beating one of your wives of that one slave wife you have kicking around is fine then? Quran God isn't a nice guy is he.
ReplyDeleteEvery holly book has alot bullshit, noah put every animal in an ark what??
Buddhists are cool and completely happy and peaceful, except for the singing, never been into group singing.
I don't worship assholes.
The number of drunkard fucktards beat their wives > The number of bad muslims beat their wives misusing power> The number of muslims actually beat their wives for wrong doing.
DeleteI rest my case here
The koran a perfect book of truth and science?
ReplyDeleteSure. And we all know science has proved meteors are an anti-Genie Missile Defence System,
the sun sets in a muddy pond and
mountains are anti-quake installations.
Grow up you embarrassing caveboys.
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These simple religions might once have had their purpose , when humankind knew next to nothing about the universe or planet earth , and people needed some simple guidelines , about how to live on this violent scary place with all kinds of myths of strange beasts and monsters.. Those who wielded power had the means to write up these guidelines that would serve the ruling classes, like promising the simple souls they would live for ever if they stayed humble and obedient, or of you slayed unbelievers your rewards would be immeasurably, like having sex for eternity with virgins, or being in the presence of the splendour of god's throne for eternity....who wouldn't want that ?.....But to keep on believing those things in this century , would be the same as stubbornly keeping on believing Santaclause actually lives on the North Pole.......
Delete"... Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion", This to me suggest that they are traveling in different orbits, and as current science says the Sun goes around the center of the milky way galaxy and moon around earth.
ReplyDeleteI am a muslim, when I was a child they were teaching us that the earth goes around the sun, which is an old interpretation based on old science and to me doesn't even go with the words of quran, but the Molvi got upset with my questioning so i just said w.e. But alot of time it is just traditional interpretations based on old science, and then ignorant scholars make the religion look bad by being stubborn and hindering progress.
sun goes around the earth*
DeleteMy pardon thats all your tought your interptetation. By the way you said it i know you misinterpretating these verse. Why dont you try have a nice talk with an Al quran expert. Btw even if your words are true there is no verse in bible even close to modern scientific
DeleteWhat is a quran expert?.....someone who has read the quran? And why compare quran scientific truths to the bible, neither book offers any relevant insight to science.
DeleteWhat is a quran expert?.....someone who has read the quran? And why compare quran scientific truths to the bible, neither book offers any relevant insight to science.
DeleteBesides Sahih Bukhari 4:54:421, another MOST PERTINENT HADITH is Sahih Bukhari 4:53:353:
Delete*Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet [Muhammad] said, "... So, the prophet carried out the expedition and when he reached that town at the time or nearly at the time of the 'Asr prayer, he said to the sun, 'O sun! You are under Allah's Order and I am under Allah's Order O Allah! Stop it (i.e. the sun) from setting.' It was stopped till Allah made him victorious."*
SILLY MUHAMMAD, TO KEEP THE SUN VISIBLE IN THE SKY YOU WOULD NOT COMMAND THE SUN TO STOP MOVING, YOU WOULD INSTEAD COMMAND THE EARTH TO STOP SPINNING!!
The Hadith do not have the same protection as the Quran - they are not the words of God and can contain errors as they were compiled after the Prrophet's death. The Quran however is protected from amendments and is the word of God.
DeleteOh man its just linguistic and for understanding of simple human being that the Prophet asked Allah to stop from setting of the sun by the way Allah stopped the sun itself is the prove that Allah Actually stopped the motion of earth which is possible for Allah
DeleteHow about none stopped moving but the time? Because obviously, people would start complaining about the delay of the sun set. Also you gotta see is the hadith base strong or weak or fake
DeleteIt is indeed very deep and scientific. (On the web you can search for it) the sun itself has an orbit meaning our solar system as a whole is revolving (like a massive boy In this respect) and this is what these verses explain. It's our fault that we were so ignorant to understand and still many don't know.
ReplyDeleteHow stupid the author is!!! It is obvious from the verses that sun and moon have their own orbits and they don't intervene but this stupid author brought parallel orbit concept. Hey man get some sleep and stop drinking and write some good blog.
ReplyDeleteHow stupid the author is!!! It is obvious from the verses that sun and moon have their own orbits and they don't intervene but this stupid author brought parallel orbit concept. Hey man get some sleep and stop drinking and write some good blog.
ReplyDeleteYup the verse is direct and simple. The sun, the moon and earth all have their own orbits, which has been proven consistent with science. No contradiction there.
ReplyDeletethier own orbit does not mean similar or different. you can have your thing and i can have my thing, they can be either similar or different
DeleteEach one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion”
The statement never stated different or similar orbits
if you are to talk about the night and day you have to put the earth rotation and not the sun and the moon revolution unless you have a geocentric mindset. Period
None grasp it except the purified. -Quran 56:79
ReplyDeletePoor author. Nobody seemed defending him except fews who are just blabbering loud mouths.
ReplyDeleteThe Quran never states that the Earth rotates, the verse describes the simple act of night and day, no universal galactic rotation of the sun, and its passing over head, to see this in any other perspective is ludicrous, it describes the moon and sun both in Orbit, meaning they both go around a center point, i.e, the Earth.
ReplyDeleteThere is no other verse in the Quran that for any reason this particular verse should be read or place in any other context than whit it is, its simply a 7th century observation and belief of the sun and moon orbiting the earth, case closed.
Unlike the dishonest Muslim apologists, your interpretation is correct and honest... to reflect the true teaching in the Quran at the 7th century
DeleteAllah SWT said:
Deleteلَا الشَّمْسُ يَنۢبَغِى لَهَآ أَنْ تُدْرِكَ الْقَمَرَ وَلَا الَّيْلُ سَابِقُ النَّهَارِ ۚ وَكُلٌّ فِى فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ
It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to law)
(QS. Yaseen 36: Verse 40)
It clearly states that the Sun and the Moon are in a separate orbit. Therefore there orbit can never be along a central point. The Quran actually gives no indication of any order of orbit.
However science today states:
1) The moon orbits the earth
2)The earth orbits the Sun.
3) The Sun orbits the Milky Way
Here we see that the two celestial bodies according to modern science are in different orbit as the Quran says.
Notice the use of the words "its own" implying a a different orbit.
And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place. 18:29.
ReplyDeleteThere is not a single statement in the Holy Qur’an, which goes against established science. In fact Quran contradicts the theory of Geocentrism as earlier offered by Ptolommy in 2nd century BC. What Quran says is that Sun and the Moon rotate and revolve. It does not say around the earth. And today we know Sun rotates round its axis once in 25 earth days and more over all heavenly bodies are in motion against a point and that point is certainly not Earth. The exact text in Quran is Surah Al-Anbiya, Ch. No. 21, V. No. 33… (Arabic)…. That it is Allah, who has created the nights and the day…. (Arabic)…. each one travelling in an orbit, with its own motion.
ReplyDelete"There is not a single statement in the Holy Qur’an"
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Do your research on science. Its a pack of lies which computerised images of the universe. The shaytans and dajjals handywork who are the ultimate liers and decievers. Wake up muslims, dont use modern science to interpretate the glorious quran. Question everything that science throws at u
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ReplyDeletewanna see one more such lie of muslims in action...verse 16:15...look is LITERAL translation and the new one and think why it was changed ?
ReplyDeleteThe Translation says "And He has set up on the earth mountains standing frim, lest it should shake with you; and rivers and roads; that ye may guide yourselves"
DeleteCheck flat earth..all information true
ReplyDeleteWe say Sun rises in the east and sets in the west. This is how we use to describe the events. But is it true? No. Because of the Earth's rotation it appears as though the Sun is rising from east and setting in the west. This is how our language and speech have evolved. If one approaches the Quran with the disease in the heart, it is but natural, he will find it more erroneous and the Quran has the power to intensify the disease. Quran speak about ants talking and now science has confirmed it. Quran speak about two bodies of water but don't mix, the science has proved it right. I can go on illustrating with more examples.
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The Holy Quran describes definitely a flat geocentric earth -
ReplyDelete91:6. And the earth and He who spread it.
31:10 He created the heavens without pillars that you can see, and placed stabilizers on earth lest it shifts with you, and scattered throughout it all kinds of creatures. And from the sky We sent down water, and caused to grow therein of every noble pair.
as Quran is confirmation and explanation to The Bible we see what is in The Bible --Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.Y
Yob 9:8, “...who by himself spread out the heavens
So welcome to the truth - The Earth is flat and The Sun and The moon are rotating around the earth. The Sun is moving from Tropic to tropic.
So every believer knows the only one truth is from Allah and everything another is a falsehood.
none of those verse state the earth is flat if so please explain
DeleteNo where does it say the earth is flat. Is says that God played out the earth in a specific way.
DeleteActually the Quran says:
[Quran 39.5] [Allah] Created the heavens and the Earth in truth. He overlaps [Yukawer in Arabic يُكَوِّرُ] the night over the day and overlaps [Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ] the day over the night, and enslaved the sun and the moon. ALL MOVE (Kullon Yajree كل يجري) to a prerecorded destiny. Is He not the Exalted, the Forgiver
The Arabic word "Kura" means ball; its verb "Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ" means to make into a ball. The Quran says that the overlapping of the night and the day makes a ball (sphere).
This would imply that the area which night and day occur us in fact a spherical shape.
"ALL MOVE (Kullon Yajree كل يجري)" here the Quran is referring to ALL MOVING, not only the sun and moon but also Earth. In Arabic grammar there is difference between the singular (one), binary (two) and plural (three or more). The reference to binary is "Kulahuma Yajreean كلاهما يجريان" however the Quran said "Kullon yajree كل يجري" referring to the plural (three or more). Since the sun and moon are just two but the Quran refers to three or more then according to the Quran all the three move: sun, moon and Earth.
The suns elliptical orbit is longer and slower than that of the moons. That is why it cannot catch up with the moons which is shorter and faster.
ReplyDeleteThe suns elliptical orbit is longer and slower than that of the moons. That is why it cannot catch up with the moons which is shorter and faster.
ReplyDeleteReading the verses of the Quran and knowing the true science actually gives the answer itself... Do not try to misguided people with your own illusions, read the verse and see the reality- you will realize that whatever you are speaking is just your own scribbled mind!!
ReplyDeleteWhy would a common man 1450 years ago , who had no telescope, no scientific lab just speak these things?? These things wont even come to anyone's mind also who is not at all interested in science, Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him was interested in spreadind the way of life, not in spreading scientific knowledge, neither does Quran try to prove that it is scientific -- Quran says the truths, whether you know it or not, its not Quran's business , if people dont know the correct science, its people's fault - bcoz Allah will say on the day of Qayamah,Allah will show the secret and then humans will realize " OHH SHIT, WE DIDNT THINK THAT WAY, WAS THAT THE CASE OR WHAT??!!" ...ALLAH KNOWS EVERYTHING AND WHATEVER ALLAH SAYS JUST BELIEVE IT!!.....SCIENCE KEEPS CHANGING FROM CENTURIES TO CENTURIES, TRUTH DOES NOT ,AND ALLAH TALKS ABOUT TRUTH- NOT SCIENCE!!
Reading the verses of the Quran and knowing the true science actually gives the answer itself... Do not try to misguided people with your own illusions, read the verse and see the reality- you will realize that whatever you are speaking is just your own scribbled mind!!
ReplyDeleteWhy would a common man 1450 years ago , who had no telescope, no scientific lab just speak these things?? These things wont even come to anyone's mind also who is not at all interested in science, Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him was interested in spreadind the way of life, not in spreading scientific knowledge, neither does Quran try to prove that it is scientific -- Quran says the truths, whether you know it or not, its not Quran's business , if people dont know the correct science, its people's fault - bcoz Allah will say on the day of Qayamah,Allah will show the secret and then humans will realize " OHH SHIT, WE DIDNT THINK THAT WAY, WAS THAT THE CASE OR WHAT??!!" ...ALLAH KNOWS EVERYTHING AND WHATEVER ALLAH SAYS JUST BELIEVE IT!!.....SCIENCE KEEPS CHANGING FROM CENTURIES TO CENTURIES, TRUTH DOES NOT ,AND ALLAH TALKS ABOUT TRUTH- NOT SCIENCE!!
Maybe the author should read these wards from an Islamic idealist(Zakir Naik) : ''fromSurah Al-Anbiya, Ch. No. 21, V. No. 33… (Arabic)…. That it is Allah, who has created the nights and the day…. (Arabic)…. each one travelling in a orbit, with its own motion. It says that… The sun and the moon is travelling in a orbit… orbit means revolving – with its own motion means… rotating. ‘Yasbahun’ is an Arabic word, describing the motion of a moving body for a celestial body. It is rotating… it revolving and rotating. No where does the Qur’an say that… The sun and moon revolves, around the earth. Today the science has advanced – that is on old theory, which has been proved wrong. Today science tells us that… The sun solar system… of the solar system – sun is the centre. The planets Mercury, Earth, Venus – all one revolving. But the solar system on its own – the solar system is also revolving round, in the galaxy. If you know brother, that is the latest theory… That even the solar system is revolving around a point in the galaxy, and even the galaxy is revolving point in the universe. So the Qur’an does not say, that the sun and moon is revolving round the sun – which Taslema Nasreen has misinterpreted. She says that… The Qur’an says that the sun, revolves round the earth. There is not a single statement – that is a misinterpretation. The Qur’an says that… The sun and moon, revolve and rotate. It doesn’t say… Around the earth – That is she is adding the own. Previously, when I was in school, I was thought that the sun revolves… it does not rotate – it was stationery. Today, with the help of an equipment, you can have the image of the sun, on the table top. Since we can look at the sun directly, you can have the image of the sun, on the table top – And we have come to know, that the sun has got black spots. And it takes approximately 25 days for these black spots, to complete one rotation – indicating, the sun takes 25 days to complete one rotation. So what science tells… proves today, in school I didn’t knew this. What science has proved today… that the sun rotates and revolves. Qur’an has mentioned this, 1400 years ago. There is not a single statement in the Holy Qur’an, which goes against established science. There may be theories which go against the Qur’an -Theories like Darwins Theory, which has been proved wrong. But theories… Not a single scientific fact, which has been established, which goes against a single Verse of the Holy Qur’an. Hope that satisfies for brother.''
ReplyDeleteThere's nothing wrong with being wrong once in awhile. I think it's worse to claim that the Qur'an is flawless than to just admit it has errors. It's natural for a book that old to have errors. There's no need to constantly change interpretations of the same passage to reflect modern knowledge.
DeleteJust admit the book has errors. When they wrote the book, they could only guess at how the world works. I feel like this verse leaves out solar and lunar eclipses, when the moon and sun "catch up" to each other. And it's pretty obviously based on a geocentric model. Instead of acting like the people who wrote the book knew more than we knew now, just admit that the book has errors. You can't win them all.
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DeleteExcept the Sun and the Moon never actually meet. Solar Eclipse occurs when the Moon from our perspective blocks out the sun. However this is an illusion die to the distance ration of the size of the sun to the distance between the sun and moon. In actuality they are hundreds of thousands miles apart. They never meet each other
DeleteThe Sun and the moon do in fact have different orbits.
The moon orbits the Earth
The Earth orbits the sun.
The Sun orbits the milky way
its own orbit never means different or similar orbit. If the book is perfect why cant it be clearer with information.
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ReplyDeleteWhats this about parallel thingy?
ReplyDeleteIts obvious that Moon revolved around earth, and Sun revolved around milky way. Science already proved that no?
Quran is said with "simple" explanation so people can understand easily. Some analogy would be :
"Please eat"
Vs
"Please put food to mouth, use teeth to destroy iy, saliva came, then after chew it 32 times, food will goes to stomach"
People stressed because they transgressed like this in thinking. Something easy and we should just be grateful to it, yet they make it so complicated themselves. No wonder peace didnt come to heart.
Ever heard of this?
"Think simple"
Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion”
DeleteThe statement never stated different or similar orbits
if you are to talk about the night and day you have to put the earth rotation and not the sun and the moon revolution unless you have a geocentric mindset. Period
Gods science vs human avaullae science that is the question?
ReplyDeleteAs as a christian you beleive that jesus is a son of god who has a mother and an anty and and grand pa.
If science was a man he will slap you in the face.
Word of god the sun orbits the earth if science was man me he ll slap anywone who says that as well.
Now as a muslim i respect you thats what the quran teaches me but i ask the same you ve your rights to refute based on availlable science.
But as i ve not written the quran and as im not god the only advise i can give you is to drop him an email at
allah@allah.com
Trust me i tries it on some doubts i had on the quran and i received a wonderfull reply in form of a dream.
Again you can refute this as well but its my word against yours ... see make your life easer be happy there are more important things one focused in islam like fasting which is healthy for you helping the neady by giving charity going to school to learn live peacefullt stop drinking alcohool stop having sex here and there and get married I think those more imprtant than how the sun orbits as one must define sun and define orbit leave the sun alone or if you can give him a phone call to ask him how he orbits please do and share his phone number to us. Ps live in peace budy time is running get a life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giUQDJWoAUQ
ReplyDeleteHope this helps
Its all about making absolute point. If you make absolute point to sun you will see rotating earth but if make absolute point to earth you will find rotating sun.. science say motion is always relative not absolute..
ReplyDeleteall translation have seen says rounded course... u chosed to say in it own orbit..
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ReplyDeleteFirstly,Muslims (Shia, Sunni)do not worship it, haply know it as the phrases of Allah (as the revelation or Vahi) to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) … The Quran is the identical and that is the opinion of maximum or can be all of Shia scholars. ... Consequently the Quran of Shia and Sunni are the same.
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It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law)(Sura 36: 40)
ReplyDeleteThe statement is completely geocentric (earthly observation), how can someone think of such having an heliocentric view? no human with heliocentric mindset will think the moon can catch up with the sun.
and moreover the statement is relating the night and day to the revolving sun and moon which is not so. day and night is as a result of the Earth rotation
Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion”
ReplyDeleteThe statement never stated different or similar orbits
if you are to talk about the night and day you have to put the earth rotation and not the sun and the moon revolution unless you have a geocentric mindset. Period
The geocentric model of the universe in the Holly Quran :
ReplyDeleteI swear by the name of Allah that the observable universe is spinning around a center of gravity rather than is expanding at an accelerating rate as mostly believed.
This is for the simple reason that the empirical Hubble law follows as the orbital velocity immediately from the Newtonian velocity using a simplest algebra.
It is important to note that the expansion of the universe that the Holy Quran is talking about is the one that occurred at the time of the creation of the earth and the arrangement of the heavens in 7 layers when the age of the universe was only 2/3 of its age today.
Since the cosmic redshift depends on the radial distance between the source of light and the earth which could be interpreted as an evidence for the gravitational redshift rather than for the Doppler redshift, this means that the center of the observable universe coincides with the position of the earth without means that the universe or the sun are rotating around the earth.
This finding is perfectly consistent with the Holy Quran which teaches us that Allah Has Arranged the heavens in 7 layers and He Has Created the earth at the time when the age of the universe was only 2/3 of its age today.
We then live in a special place in the universe which also means that the earth and the universe were created by Allah.
But Allah knows best.
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