The purpose with this blog is to expose the claim of modern Islamic apologists that the Qur'an is miracolous in its prediction of what they claim resembles modern science.

Monday, 23 August 2010

Does the Sun orbit the Earth According to the Qur'an?

was hoping some Muslims could educate us about these passages.

“(God is) the one Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion” (Sura 21: 33).

I find it rather obvious from what this passage depicts that the day and night depends upon the orbit of the sun and moon. In other words, contrary to what Muslim apologists exclaim about the sun's galactic orbit, the passage appears rather to describe the sun and the moon in parallel orbits.

It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law)(Sura 36: 40).

That the Qur'an refers to parallel orbits is further clarified in this passage, which states that the sun and the moon do not catch up each other.

Think of it: what sense does this make if the Qur'an described a galatic orbit since the moon is already attached to such an orbit, and since the orbit relates not to the galaxy but the day and night? Furthermore, notice that this passage states the impossible task of the sun to catch up the moon.

Why can't the sun catch up the moon, is due to its inability to do so? No really! The passage makes it clearly that the sun is not permitted to do so. In other words, the sun has the ability to catch the moon, hence the switch from day to night, since both travel in parallel orbits; yet their abilities to catch up is simply not permitted.

I might here agree with some that the passages are metaphorical, much like Sura 91: 1-2:

By the Sun and his (glorious) splendour; By the Moon as she follows him…(Sura 91: 1-2)

I must say I have no real problem with the metaphorical language of this passage, and I am inclined to believe that this simply describes what is observable from the earth.

Yet there are two further problems here:

The first, which I will refrain from looking at at this point, is the very language utilized by the Qur'an in describing the orbits, which appear to be in a close similtude with the pre-Islamic thinkers.

The second problem derives from the interpretation of Muhammad himself:

Sahih Al-Bukbari clearly confirms some of these as scientific facts (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421: Narrated Abu Dharr):

The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west.
And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: ‘And the sun Runs its fixed course for a term (decreed). That is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing.’"
(36.38)

28 comments:

  1. i believe there is no doubt about whether the sun orbits the earth or not. this makes it all clear.
    jazakallah :)

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  2. Nothing to refute here. The verses speak for themselves. The sun and moon travel i ntheir own orbits, you don't see them crossing each other. The sun travels over 300km/hour to its term appointed and so does the moon.

    Fail at debunking much? How much did they pay you for this one? 20K?

    The sun setting beneath the Throne of Allah but a time will come when it will rise from the West. This is due to the change in the rotation of the Earth. You look at the sky, the Sun will be rising from the West as Allah won't grant it permission to rise in the East. Meaning the Earth will change it's rotation. We don't need a genius for this one. Perhaps it is hard for a closed-minded missionary to understand the idea.

    Lmao...

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    1. If the earth changed its rotation direction literally every person on the planet would be crushed into the nearest wall at over 1000 miles per hour.

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  3. Agree you have nothing to refute here. The passage reveals that the Qur'an is in error. I am glad you agree. The Qur'an is packed with errors.

    I agree the verses do speak for themselves:

    It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law)(Sura 36: 40).

    To answer your attempt to wrongly interpret the passage. It is not that the sun and moon do not cross due to complete separate orbits. They are simply not permitted to catch up. This very sentence states that they are travelling in parallel lines. Notice furthermore, that their orbits are related to the day and night.

    So, yeah, the passage speaks for itself, unfortunately for you.

    As to the Hadith, it does clearly refer to the sun's orbit around the earth. But where does the passage refer to rotation of the earth? Could you elaborate upon that and prove your interpretation without eisegesis.

    So far you have refuted nothing. If you think mocking supports your case, I can tell, you are merely loosing respect. But I guess that means nothing to you.

    But I had the feeling that you do not believe the Qur'an, and why bother if you are not a Muslim anyway. I mean you are one of those Allah rejects according to the Qur'an.

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  4. "The Qur'an is packed with errors." The Quran does not give errors for what it contains within is absolute truth, the truth that is beyond human's capability of thinking unless he gave a thorough thinking about it, which in the end, Allah said "These are the signs to those who thinks."

    First of all, you said that "travel in parallel orbits". This is the first concept of understanding that you are wrong. The moon and the Sun does not orbit on parallel paths. In fact, they orbit almost similar to the Geocentric Model proposed by Ptolemy which is the Ptolemaic System. In other researches, it is believed that the Earth is the center of our solar system which makes it at its own position or simple, at its 'rest point' based on the Geocentric Model. To further understand this, you have to actually read and understand fully what the Quran describes.

    The interpretation of Muhammad(pbuh) is telling that the sun is currently(now)is orbiting from East to the West. Until one day, the Sun asked for permission to orbit at the opposite route which is from the West to the East which is contradicting with the laws of physics but if you compare it with Allah's Almighty powers, it is possible to happen if He permits it. The Sun asks permission to the opposite way of orbiting but Allah denies the Sun's permission until one day when The Sun asks for the same permission, Allah permits it, which indicates that the End of The World or simply, The Judgement Day. That is what the interpretation of Muhammad(pbuh) meant.

    The orbiting of the moon and the sun is not parallel for in the verse, "It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law)" (Sura 36: 40). This verse is scientifically meant that the Moon and the Sun 'swims' on its own orbit according to Allah's law. "It is not permitted for the Sun to catch up the moon". This line obviously showing that the orbiting of the sun and the moon IS NOT IN PARALLEL LINE. If you are saying that these two celestial bodies orbits in a parallel lines, that you might now itself witness day and night, thus showing the shape of the moon right now! This proves that the orbiting of the Sun and the Moon is not on parallel lines. The word 'catch up' obviously indicate that the moon and the sun is mostly orbiting in a circular shape like what heliocentric and geocentric models have proposed but the difference between them is the position of the sun and the earth which now has been scientifically proved that our solar system moves in a circular motion.

    This shows that your assumption about a parallel orbiting is just showing contradicting on what modern scientific research have proved. If you again accept the fact that the sun and the moon is orbiting on parallel lines, you just made an indication that everything can be seen right at this moment, meaning that you can witness day and night at the same time, including stars and other celestial bodies that the universe is storing. The Quran have shown, described and proved at an intense specific which basically have been scientifically proved by neither physics and also the astronomical laws.

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  5. This blog is pathetic, but then so are you mr. christian missionary!

    Ps: I fully agree with "Xeno Genesis"

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  6. So beating one of your wives of that one slave wife you have kicking around is fine then? Quran God isn't a nice guy is he.

    Every holly book has alot bullshit, noah put every animal in an ark what??

    Buddhists are cool and completely happy and peaceful, except for the singing, never been into group singing.

    I don't worship assholes.

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  7. The koran a perfect book of truth and science?
    Sure. And we all know science has proved meteors are an anti-Genie Missile Defence System,
    the sun sets in a muddy pond and
    mountains are anti-quake installations.
    Grow up you embarrassing caveboys.

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  8. The Sun (of surface temperature of 5778 K) and the Moon (of orbital period of 27 days) are never going to join with each other because the Sun and Moon have already joined 355 years ago in India!
    According to Prophet Muhammad, Isa Ruh Allah was supposed to wear two garments. Therefore, the first garment of Isa Ruh Allah was the physical body of Devchandra Mehta himself. However, upon leaving his first garment, Isa Ruh Allah had to wear his second and final garment by entering into the physical body of Meher Raj Thakur! And this is how the Sun (Mahdi) and the Moon (Isa) would join together!
    http://sanandhonline.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-sun-and-moon-are-joined.html

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  9. "... Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion", This to me suggest that they are traveling in different orbits, and as current science says the Sun goes around the center of the milky way galaxy and moon around earth.

    I am a muslim, when I was a child they were teaching us that the earth goes around the sun, which is an old interpretation based on old science and to me doesn't even go with the words of quran, but the Molvi got upset with my questioning so i just said w.e. But alot of time it is just traditional interpretations based on old science, and then ignorant scholars make the religion look bad by being stubborn and hindering progress.

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    1. sun goes around the earth*

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    2. My pardon thats all your tought your interptetation. By the way you said it i know you misinterpretating these verse. Why dont you try have a nice talk with an Al quran expert. Btw even if your words are true there is no verse in bible even close to modern scientific

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    3. What is a quran expert?.....someone who has read the quran? And why compare quran scientific truths to the bible, neither book offers any relevant insight to science.

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    4. What is a quran expert?.....someone who has read the quran? And why compare quran scientific truths to the bible, neither book offers any relevant insight to science.

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    5. Besides Sahih Bukhari 4:54:421, another MOST PERTINENT HADITH is Sahih Bukhari 4:53:353:
      *Narrated Abu Huraira:
      The Prophet [Muhammad] said, "... So, the prophet carried out the expedition and when he reached that town at the time or nearly at the time of the 'Asr prayer, he said to the sun, 'O sun! You are under Allah's Order and I am under Allah's Order O Allah! Stop it (i.e. the sun) from setting.' It was stopped till Allah made him victorious."*
      SILLY MUHAMMAD, TO KEEP THE SUN VISIBLE IN THE SKY YOU WOULD NOT COMMAND THE SUN TO STOP MOVING, YOU WOULD INSTEAD COMMAND THE EARTH TO STOP SPINNING!!

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    6. The Hadith do not have the same protection as the Quran - they are not the words of God and can contain errors as they were compiled after the Prrophet's death. The Quran however is protected from amendments and is the word of God.

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  10. It is indeed very deep and scientific. (On the web you can search for it) the sun itself has an orbit meaning our solar system as a whole is revolving (like a massive boy In this respect) and this is what these verses explain. It's our fault that we were so ignorant to understand and still many don't know.

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  11. How stupid the author is!!! It is obvious from the verses that sun and moon have their own orbits and they don't intervene but this stupid author brought parallel orbit concept. Hey man get some sleep and stop drinking and write some good blog.

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  12. How stupid the author is!!! It is obvious from the verses that sun and moon have their own orbits and they don't intervene but this stupid author brought parallel orbit concept. Hey man get some sleep and stop drinking and write some good blog.

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  13. Yup the verse is direct and simple. The sun, the moon and earth all have their own orbits, which has been proven consistent with science. No contradiction there.

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  14. None grasp it except the purified. -Quran 56:79

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  15. Poor author. Nobody seemed defending him except fews who are just blabbering loud mouths.

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  16. The Quran never states that the Earth rotates, the verse describes the simple act of night and day, no universal galactic rotation of the sun, and its passing over head, to see this in any other perspective is ludicrous, it describes the moon and sun both in Orbit, meaning they both go around a center point, i.e, the Earth.
    There is no other verse in the Quran that for any reason this particular verse should be read or place in any other context than whit it is, its simply a 7th century observation and belief of the sun and moon orbiting the earth, case closed.

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  17. And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place. 18:29.

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  18. There is not a single statement in the Holy Qur’an, which goes against established science. In fact Quran contradicts the theory of Geocentrism as earlier offered by Ptolommy in 2nd century BC. What Quran says is that Sun and the Moon rotate and revolve. It does not say around the earth. And today we know Sun rotates round its axis once in 25 earth days and more over all heavenly bodies are in motion against a point and that point is certainly not Earth. The exact text in Quran is Surah Al-Anbiya, Ch. No. 21, V. No. 33… (Arabic)…. That it is Allah, who has created the nights and the day…. (Arabic)…. each one travelling in an orbit, with its own motion.

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    1. "There is not a single statement in the Holy Qur’an"

      wahahahahahaha

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  19. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JcGs4FIuu4

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  20. wanna see one more such lie of muslims in action...verse 16:15...look is LITERAL translation and the new one and think why it was changed ?

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